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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.godlessgirl.com/2010/06/would-you-go-back-to-faith/comment-page-2/#comment-20188</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 19:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I don&#039;t think I would go back. The whole reason I left Christianity after decades of devout service was because I could no longer force myself to believe something that I knew wasn&#039;t true. I really, really wanted Christianity to be true. But trying to force my mind to believe something I realized was false had started to take a toll on me.

Depression and anxiety resulted from the guilt and fear over my doubts and inability to control my thoughts and force myself to believe. I cried myself to sleep at night, praying and begging for god to reassure me it was all true. I never got an answer. 

Finally I came to accept my atheism and there is too much emotional baggage for me to ever go back to faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I don&#8217;t think I would go back. The whole reason I left Christianity after decades of devout service was because I could no longer force myself to believe something that I knew wasn&#8217;t true. I really, really wanted Christianity to be true. But trying to force my mind to believe something I realized was false had started to take a toll on me.</p>
<p>Depression and anxiety resulted from the guilt and fear over my doubts and inability to control my thoughts and force myself to believe. I cried myself to sleep at night, praying and begging for god to reassure me it was all true. I never got an answer. </p>
<p>Finally I came to accept my atheism and there is too much emotional baggage for me to ever go back to faith.</p>
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		<title>By: Patience</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 19:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just curious if going back to being &quot;spiritual&quot; is more likely than going back to being &quot;religious.&quot; Because that&#039;s kind of where I&#039;ve ended up. I don&#039;t think I could ever go back to organized religion, but I find comfort in spiritual stuff, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just curious if going back to being &#8220;spiritual&#8221; is more likely than going back to being &#8220;religious.&#8221; Because that&#8217;s kind of where I&#8217;ve ended up. I don&#8217;t think I could ever go back to organized religion, but I find comfort in spiritual stuff, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Isabel</title>
		<link>http://www.godlessgirl.com/2010/06/would-you-go-back-to-faith/comment-page-2/#comment-19778</link>
		<dc:creator>Isabel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 17:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some people CAN smell colors, though (if they have synesthesia).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people CAN smell colors, though (if they have synesthesia).</p>
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		<title>By: Baggs</title>
		<link>http://www.godlessgirl.com/2010/06/would-you-go-back-to-faith/comment-page-2/#comment-19345</link>
		<dc:creator>Baggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 20:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might have to re route the power to the phase cannons..
Somewhat...

I kinda mean, there is more than one way.

When trying to smell the color 9 doesn&#039;t work.




We have to realize that 9 is not a color,
and even if it was, you can&#039;t smell a color.

God&#039;s existence does not depend on our comprehension of a soul.
Just like playing starcraft doesn&#039;t require me to understand the difference between a dual core and a hexacore processor and how electricity powers it all.

We don&#039;t need a full comprehension of the phenomena of individuality and consciousness in neuroanatomy before we accept that we are capable of morality, love, good, evil and so on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might have to re route the power to the phase cannons..<br />
Somewhat&#8230;</p>
<p>I kinda mean, there is more than one way.</p>
<p>When trying to smell the color 9 doesn&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>We have to realize that 9 is not a color,<br />
and even if it was, you can&#8217;t smell a color.</p>
<p>God&#8217;s existence does not depend on our comprehension of a soul.<br />
Just like playing starcraft doesn&#8217;t require me to understand the difference between a dual core and a hexacore processor and how electricity powers it all.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t need a full comprehension of the phenomena of individuality and consciousness in neuroanatomy before we accept that we are capable of morality, love, good, evil and so on.</p>
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		<title>By: Baggs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 20:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What was your fav song/band?</description>
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		<title>By: Baggs</title>
		<link>http://www.godlessgirl.com/2010/06/would-you-go-back-to-faith/comment-page-2/#comment-19343</link>
		<dc:creator>Baggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 20:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha, looks like they added some drugs to them Hillsong music you got there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha, looks like they added some drugs to them Hillsong music you got there.</p>
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		<title>By: Baggs</title>
		<link>http://www.godlessgirl.com/2010/06/would-you-go-back-to-faith/comment-page-2/#comment-19342</link>
		<dc:creator>Baggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 20:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yes, they also mentioned that it is part why the OT is not what Christians are tied to compared to the Jews. Because technically one of the involved experienced death (Jesus) and thus the Old Testament/Old Covenant was now done and the New Covenant was formed. which is why people pulling rules and regulations from the OT were kinda suspicious. (Plus those covenants were for those specific group of people- the Hebrews who came out of Egypt)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yes, they also mentioned that it is part why the OT is not what Christians are tied to compared to the Jews. Because technically one of the involved experienced death (Jesus) and thus the Old Testament/Old Covenant was now done and the New Covenant was formed. which is why people pulling rules and regulations from the OT were kinda suspicious. (Plus those covenants were for those specific group of people- the Hebrews who came out of Egypt)</p>
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		<title>By: Baggs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 20:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first and last time I asked a theologian a similar question I was very satisfied. I think that makes me glad that I didn&#039;t consult a sunday school scholar about things that a theologian spent years studying. I wish you had done the same, although I doubt catholic groups still hire theologians on staff.

But hey, we have the internet and google.

Personally I got a problem with organizations controlled by humans and thus I consider myself without ties to a specific denomination while still holding the basic beliefs of Creation/Salvation/Trinity/Salvation through Grace alone.

Enough of that.

With the case of what you stated, you are talking about the OT most likely since you mentioned  genocide etc.

My personal version when I asked the theologian was.

Why would God command &quot;Thou shalt not kill&quot; and then himself send the Jews to destroy entire cities.

He said to me.
All those were fought in self defense , EXCEPT ONE.
And that was when God commanded them to police the world.

I was still young when I asked that, but I thought to myself, where does he get these stuff?
Aside from the obvious theology school and all that. 

I then later found out about chat rooms and forums for that kind of discussions, and plenty of people were actually eager to help with my questions, theologians and theology students and just plain fans of theological discussions who took it as their hobby.






With your version, my gift for you would be something I recently just picked up.

Why were people killed for little things (supposedly)
What we do not know today in our modern society, was the culture back then.
Back then, people would create covenants, promises,and the likes.
We have a similar thing in my country. However we don&#039;t take it seriously.
In the case of the Jewish people/Hebrews.
They made a covenant with God.
A covenant is somewhat a &quot;Super Promise&quot;
breakable only with the death of one of the involved parties.

In the Philippines, we often say &quot;Peksman Mamatay man&quot;
Meaning - Promise even if it means my death.

Well, back in those days. People really did bind their lives to their promises.

Now I know what you might be thinking but before you judge them for being &quot;stupid&quot;. Realize that looking at a culture and thinking that yours is superior to them is what we call ethnocentrism according to anthropology. 
They can as easily look at our culture and simply say that we are people whose words have no value, whose promises are never kept, those who live without honor and thus do not deserve to live.(Or worse- inhuman)
-Kinda like the Japanese who fall on their swords when they cause dishonor to their family.-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first and last time I asked a theologian a similar question I was very satisfied. I think that makes me glad that I didn&#8217;t consult a sunday school scholar about things that a theologian spent years studying. I wish you had done the same, although I doubt catholic groups still hire theologians on staff.</p>
<p>But hey, we have the internet and google.</p>
<p>Personally I got a problem with organizations controlled by humans and thus I consider myself without ties to a specific denomination while still holding the basic beliefs of Creation/Salvation/Trinity/Salvation through Grace alone.</p>
<p>Enough of that.</p>
<p>With the case of what you stated, you are talking about the OT most likely since you mentioned  genocide etc.</p>
<p>My personal version when I asked the theologian was.</p>
<p>Why would God command &#8220;Thou shalt not kill&#8221; and then himself send the Jews to destroy entire cities.</p>
<p>He said to me.<br />
All those were fought in self defense , EXCEPT ONE.<br />
And that was when God commanded them to police the world.</p>
<p>I was still young when I asked that, but I thought to myself, where does he get these stuff?<br />
Aside from the obvious theology school and all that. </p>
<p>I then later found out about chat rooms and forums for that kind of discussions, and plenty of people were actually eager to help with my questions, theologians and theology students and just plain fans of theological discussions who took it as their hobby.</p>
<p>With your version, my gift for you would be something I recently just picked up.</p>
<p>Why were people killed for little things (supposedly)<br />
What we do not know today in our modern society, was the culture back then.<br />
Back then, people would create covenants, promises,and the likes.<br />
We have a similar thing in my country. However we don&#8217;t take it seriously.<br />
In the case of the Jewish people/Hebrews.<br />
They made a covenant with God.<br />
A covenant is somewhat a &#8220;Super Promise&#8221;<br />
breakable only with the death of one of the involved parties.</p>
<p>In the Philippines, we often say &#8220;Peksman Mamatay man&#8221;<br />
Meaning &#8211; Promise even if it means my death.</p>
<p>Well, back in those days. People really did bind their lives to their promises.</p>
<p>Now I know what you might be thinking but before you judge them for being &#8220;stupid&#8221;. Realize that looking at a culture and thinking that yours is superior to them is what we call ethnocentrism according to anthropology.<br />
They can as easily look at our culture and simply say that we are people whose words have no value, whose promises are never kept, those who live without honor and thus do not deserve to live.(Or worse- inhuman)<br />
-Kinda like the Japanese who fall on their swords when they cause dishonor to their family.-</p>
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		<title>By: Baggs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 19:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Knowing Christ better necessitates that you knew Him to begin with. In turn would contradict the stance of disbelief.

I am curious though how you lived your life. What you did and now what of those things you stopped doing.
-That kinda shows a little, your views on what a Christian is-

prayer bible study church
singing and going to camp
attending the weekly/monthly missions trip

or was it something else?


Which fruits of the spirit did you produce?
Are you still producing them now?
Why/Why not? 
(Are they now irrelevant to your life, now that you left?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Knowing Christ better necessitates that you knew Him to begin with. In turn would contradict the stance of disbelief.</p>
<p>I am curious though how you lived your life. What you did and now what of those things you stopped doing.<br />
-That kinda shows a little, your views on what a Christian is-</p>
<p>prayer bible study church<br />
singing and going to camp<br />
attending the weekly/monthly missions trip</p>
<p>or was it something else?</p>
<p>Which fruits of the spirit did you produce?<br />
Are you still producing them now?<br />
Why/Why not?<br />
(Are they now irrelevant to your life, now that you left?)</p>
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		<title>By: Baggs</title>
		<link>http://www.godlessgirl.com/2010/06/would-you-go-back-to-faith/comment-page-2/#comment-19339</link>
		<dc:creator>Baggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 19:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am intrigued at the &quot;Intellectual&quot; statement and the &quot;portrayed in the Bible&quot;. 

I spent years with those topics- obviously not 24/7 since I had to go to class, sleep and work and do other things too. 

However I did spend time asking questions and having discussions with people. I also spent time in chat rooms, forums and other sites like those.
Rather than break down my faith, I came to see more and more that there are indeed good answers to all those questions if you are sincere in asking them.

The problem is when you ask a question and follow it up with 10 more questions and overwhelm the person who is only trying to help you.
Even if he does have all the answers, it just frustrates people that you couldn&#039;t at least pace yourself or even google the very question for your own self at least for a couple of times.

That is, if it really mattered that much, leaving it wouldn&#039;t have depended on coming up with a question, tossing it at someone, then walking away before hearing the answer.
Or in most cases, asking a theologian level question towards a Sunday school teacher level or even at new converts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am intrigued at the &#8220;Intellectual&#8221; statement and the &#8220;portrayed in the Bible&#8221;. </p>
<p>I spent years with those topics- obviously not 24/7 since I had to go to class, sleep and work and do other things too. </p>
<p>However I did spend time asking questions and having discussions with people. I also spent time in chat rooms, forums and other sites like those.<br />
Rather than break down my faith, I came to see more and more that there are indeed good answers to all those questions if you are sincere in asking them.</p>
<p>The problem is when you ask a question and follow it up with 10 more questions and overwhelm the person who is only trying to help you.<br />
Even if he does have all the answers, it just frustrates people that you couldn&#8217;t at least pace yourself or even google the very question for your own self at least for a couple of times.</p>
<p>That is, if it really mattered that much, leaving it wouldn&#8217;t have depended on coming up with a question, tossing it at someone, then walking away before hearing the answer.<br />
Or in most cases, asking a theologian level question towards a Sunday school teacher level or even at new converts.</p>
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